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{
"time": "2026-04-23 16:25:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Hon. Joe Jordan",
"fr": "L'hon. Joe Jordan"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"9369504\" data-originallang=\"en\">They shouldn't be at odds. I don't want to be part of a profession that, somehow, ethics are outside of. I've long advocated that the Commissioner of Lobbying and the Ethics Commissioner should be the same person, but barring that, I think that at least there should be some kind of harmonization in what the rules are, because that's a little confusing.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"9369505\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Since this act became law in 2008, there have been four people convicted under it. Among the reasons that that's a low number is that the rules are so complicated. There is the act, and there are advisory opinions. I'm sure that in the briefs, you'd find people complaining about the 32 hours going to eight hours. That's a significant change. It wasn't made through an advisory opinion. It wasn't made through this committee. It wasn't made through the legislature. It wasn't made through Parliament. However, she has no other option. The complex nature of it, I think, hurts its enforcement, and adding more layers to that doesn't help.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"9369504\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ces deux choses ne devraient pas \u00eatre incompatibles. Je ne veux pas faire partie d'une profession o\u00f9, pour une raison ou une autre, l'\u00e9thique est laiss\u00e9e de c\u00f4t\u00e9. Je soutiens depuis longtemps que le poste de commissaire au lobbying et celui de commissaire \u00e0 l'\u00e9thique devraient \u00eatre occup\u00e9s par la m\u00eame personne, mais, comme ce n'est pas le cas, je pense qu'il faudrait au moins harmoniser les r\u00e8gles, car on s'y perd un peu.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"9369505\" data-originallang=\"en\">Depuis l'entr\u00e9e en vigueur de cette loi en 2008, quatre personnes ont \u00e9t\u00e9 condamn\u00e9es en vertu de celle\u2011ci. L'une des raisons pour lesquelles ce chiffre est si faible tient au fait que les r\u00e8gles sont extr\u00eamement complexes. Il y a la loi et il y a des avis consultatifs. Je suis s\u00fbr que dans les m\u00e9moires, des gens se plaignent du passage de 32 heures \u00e0 8 heures. C'est un changement consid\u00e9rable qui n'a pas \u00e9t\u00e9 apport\u00e9 au moyen d'un avis consultatif ou par l'entremise de ce comit\u00e9 ou par l'organe l\u00e9gislatif, le Parlement. Cependant, il n'y a pas d'autre option. \u00c0 mon avis, la complexit\u00e9 de la loi nuit \u00e0 son application, et l'ajout de d\u00e9tails suppl\u00e9mentaires n'aide en rien.</p>"
},
"url": "/committees/ethics/45-1/38/joe-jordan-17/",
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"source_id": "13467418",
"document_url": "/committees/ethics/45-1/38/",
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