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{
"time": "2026-04-23 16:20:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Hon. Joe Jordan",
"fr": "L'hon. Joe Jordan"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"9369498\" data-originallang=\"en\">That's a big question.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"9369499\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I'm going to default to my testimony from 2014. Actually, I'll go back to 2008. I said that one problem I saw with this bill was the definition of lobbying. You could side-swipe a semi-truck through some of the loopholes there. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"9369500\" data-originallang=\"en\">A better definition might be \u201cpeople who communicate with decision-makers to affect outcomes\u201d. If that's the definition of what lobbying is, a lot of this trying to get at it indirectly, which is a lot of what we're seeing.... I'm not faulting the commissioner, as the commissioner is working with the tools that are in her tool box, but if we could introduce clarity to what the rules are, we'd have a better chance of finding out whether or not somebody is on the wrong side of them.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"9369498\" data-originallang=\"en\">C'est une question importante.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"9369499\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vais me r\u00e9f\u00e9rer \u00e0 mon t\u00e9moignage de 2014. En fait, je vais remonter \u00e0 2008. J'avais alors d\u00e9clar\u00e9 que l'un des probl\u00e8mes que je constatais dans ce projet de loi concernait la d\u00e9finition du lobbying. Certaines lacunes de cette d\u00e9finition \u00e9taient si larges qu'on aurait pu y faire passer un semi-remorque.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"9369500\" data-originallang=\"en\">Une meilleure d\u00e9finition pourrait \u00eatre les \u00ab personnes qui communiquent avec les d\u00e9cideurs pour influencer les r\u00e9sultats \u00bb. Si c'est la d\u00e9finition du lobbying, bon nombre de ces tentatives visant \u00e0 atteindre cet objectif indirectement, ce que nous observons souvent... Je ne bl\u00e2me pas la commissaire, car elle travaille avec les outils dont elle dispose. Cela dit, si nous pouvions clarifier les r\u00e8gles, nous aurions de meilleures chances de savoir si quelqu'un les enfreint ou non.</p>"
},
"url": "/committees/ethics/45-1/38/joe-jordan-16/",
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"source_id": "13467390",
"document_url": "/committees/ethics/45-1/38/",
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