Speech (committee meeting)

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    "time": "2020-10-09 15:15:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Ms. Patricia Lattanzio (Saint-L\u00e9onard\u2014Saint-Michel, Lib.)",
        "fr": "Mme Patricia Lattanzio (Saint-L\u00e9onard\u2014Saint-Michel, Lib.)"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"6288109\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288110\" data-originallang=\"en\">I have a few preliminary observations in terms of procedures. I'm going to elaborate more on procedures, because this is the theme that caught my attention yesterday, with the various speakers and the motion we have before us.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288111\" data-originallang=\"en\">For the life of me, I don't understand how we're giving precedence to this motion. I was present at the committee yesterday, and there were other motions to be considered. All of a sudden we called a quasi-important emergency meeting in less than 24 hours to discuss this motion, only because we weren't done with the motion of yesterday. These are my preliminary observations.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288112\" data-originallang=\"en\">The second observation is the fact that we deferred Madame Gaudreau's motion. What is more striking to me is that.... I had the opportunity, being a new member, to finally sit down and look at this motion last night. I wanted to look at the details as to what the considerations were of bringing forward her motion. I glanced at it very quickly yesterday when we took the decision to defer, because there was a lot mentioned in that motion. I understand why my colleagues also were of the opinion that we needed to defer that particular motion.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288113\" data-originallang=\"en\">I want to draw your attention, and the attention of my fellow colleagues, to paragraph 11 of that motion. I'm going to take the time to read it, because I think it's important. The motion has to do with setting up a special committee that would look into issues that were discussed in the previous mandate.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288114\" data-originallang=\"en\">She requests:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"6288115\" data-originallang=\"en\"> That the committee continue all of the business of the following committees: the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics; the Standing Committee on Finance; the Standing Committee on Official Languages.... </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"6288116\" data-originallang=\"en\">\u2014by the way, I sit on that committee, and we're sitting next Tuesday\u2014</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"6288117\" data-originallang=\"en\"> ...and the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates; and that the documents and evidence received by each of these committees be deemed to have been received by the said committee, including the documents provided on August 18 to the members of the Standing Committee on Finance.... </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"6288118\" data-originallang=\"en\">Basically, my understanding is that she anticipates we are going to be requesting documents from each and every one of these individual committees, and then that these documents or evidence, or whatever documents or information we're going to get from these committees, will be given to the new committee that's going to be created. Interestingly enough, Conservative members yesterday decided to defer this motion, along with the Liberal members.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288119\" data-originallang=\"en\">Then my colleague MP Barrett presented his motion. I read his motion again very carefully, too. I understand it differs from the motion that had been passed at this committee, of which I was not a member, and it is brought up again today. There seems to be an urgency to do this: why, I still don't understand, but we're pressing on this. When we say Liberal members are taking up time and we're discussing this.... To quote my colleague Mr. Barrett in the House this week, all members should get to speak, because it is an important pillar of democracy. We agree, colleague. We all need to speak. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288120\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I'm a new member on this committee. I think I'm more than entitled to look at documents, study documents, and if I have a point of view that differs from his or from any other colleague's, I should be given the opportunity to speak and to express that. It may not be one that he agrees with, but to be accused of speaking for the sake of filibustering.... Well, my response to him is this. He seems to want to be pushing this down our throats, plead that there is an urgency, when he also says, \u201cYou can filibuster all you want up until next week at all the meetings.\u201d There is a statement being made here that this very same motion, or at least the request for documents or the pursuit of this, is going to continue in the next week's meetings.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288121\" data-originallang=\"en\">I would like to submit the following supposition to my colleagues here today. If the same motion will be presented in each of the meetings that we'll have next week, including the language committee, as per Madame Gaudreau's motion, then why are we presenting the exact same request in all of these committees? What is the point of doing that?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288122\" data-originallang=\"en\">We have a PROC committee that deals with House affairs, which can very simply deal with this request and the forthcoming requests that are going to be coming out next week. Why are we wasting the time of this committee, and possibly all other committees, on this repeated request, when it could be done by one committee that does just that? Why are we not having leaders of every party discuss this issue, come to some sort of an agreement and establish this new standing committee that will be able to look at this carefully and request all the necessary documents, rather than bring this to every committee?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288123\" data-originallang=\"en\"> If the motions or requests are not going to be the exact same requests.... By the way, I just want to make a little parenthesis: What if every committee that submitted this request comes out with different results, where there are amendments that are agreed to? Which one will we accept when we create this new standing committee: the motion that will have been passed at the ethics committee, or the motion that will have been passed at the languages committee, or the motion that will\u2014 </p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"6288109\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vous remercie, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288110\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'ai quelques observations pr\u00e9liminaires sur les proc\u00e9dures, sur lesquelles je vais m'attarder parce que c'est le th\u00e8me qui a retenu mon attention hier, avec les diff\u00e9rents intervenants et la motion \u00e0 l'\u00e9tude.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288111\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je ne comprends vraiment pas pourquoi nous donnons la priorit\u00e9 \u00e0 cette motion. J'\u00e9tais pr\u00e9sente au Comit\u00e9 hier, et il y avait d'autres motions \u00e0 \u00e9tudier. Tout \u00e0 coup, en moins de 24 heures, nous convoquons une r\u00e9union d'urgence quasi importante pour examiner cette motion, seulement parce que nous n'avions pas termin\u00e9 hier. C'est tout pour mes observations pr\u00e9liminaires.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288112\" data-originallang=\"en\">La deuxi\u00e8me observation concerne le fait que nous avons report\u00e9 la motion de Mme Gaudreau. Ce que je trouve frappant, c'est que... J'ai eu la possibilit\u00e9, \u00e9tant nouvelle d\u00e9put\u00e9e, d'enfin si\u00e9ger au Comit\u00e9 et d'examiner cette motion hier soir. Je voulais en \u00e9tudier les d\u00e9tails afin de comprendre quelles consid\u00e9rations avaient incit\u00e9 la d\u00e9put\u00e9e \u00e0 la pr\u00e9senter. Je l'ai rapidement parcourue hier quand nous avons d\u00e9cid\u00e9 de la reporter, parce que beaucoup de choses y sont mentionn\u00e9es. Je comprends aussi pourquoi mes coll\u00e8gues \u00e9taient d'avis que nous devions la reporter. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288113\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je tiens \u00e0 attirer votre attention, et l'attention de mes coll\u00e8gues, sur le paragraphe 11 de cette motion. Je vais prendre le temps de la lire parce que je crois que c'est important. La motion porte sur la cr\u00e9ation d'un comit\u00e9 sp\u00e9cial qui examinerait des questions qui ont fait l'objet de discussions dans le mandat pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288114\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mme Gaudreau demande:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"6288115\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Que le comit\u00e9 sp\u00e9cial reprenne l\u2019ensemble des travaux des Comit\u00e9s suivant: le Comit\u00e9 permanent de l'acc\u00e8s \u00e0 l'information, de la protection des renseignements personnels et de l'\u00e9thique, le Comit\u00e9 permanent des finances, le Comit\u00e9 permanent des langues officielles... </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"6288116\" data-originallang=\"en\">Au fait, je si\u00e8ge \u00e0 ce comit\u00e9, et nous si\u00e9geons mardi prochain.</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"6288117\" data-originallang=\"en\"> ... ainsi que le Comit\u00e9 permanent des op\u00e9rations gouvernementales et des pr\u00e9visions budg\u00e9taires et que les documents et les t\u00e9moignages produits sur chacun de ces comit\u00e9s soient r\u00e9put\u00e9s avoir \u00e9t\u00e9 produits dans le cadre des travaux du pr\u00e9sent comit\u00e9, y compris les documents fournis le 18 ao\u00fbt aux membres du Comit\u00e9 permanent des finances... </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"6288118\" data-originallang=\"en\">Au fond, si je comprends bien, la d\u00e9put\u00e9e s'attend \u00e0 ce que nous demandions des documents \u00e0 chacun de ces comit\u00e9s, puis \u00e0 ce que ces documents, preuves ou informations soient remis au nouveau comit\u00e9 qui va \u00eatre cr\u00e9\u00e9. Chose curieuse, les d\u00e9put\u00e9s conservateurs ont d\u00e9cid\u00e9 hier de reporter cette motion, avec les d\u00e9put\u00e9s lib\u00e9raux.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288119\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ensuite, le d\u00e9put\u00e9 Barrett a pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 sa motion. Je l'ai relue tr\u00e8s soigneusement aussi. Je comprends qu'elle diff\u00e8re de celle adopt\u00e9e au Comit\u00e9, auquel je ne si\u00e9geais pas, et elle nous est de nouveau soumise aujourd'hui. Il semble y avoir urgence, mais pourquoi? Je ne comprends toujours pas, mais nous l'\u00e9tudions. Quand nous disons que les d\u00e9put\u00e9s lib\u00e9raux prennent du temps et que nous discutons de cette... Comme l'a dit le d\u00e9put\u00e9 Barrett \u00e0 la Chambre cette semaine, tous les d\u00e9put\u00e9s doivent pouvoir s'exprimer parce que c'est un des piliers importants de la d\u00e9mocratie. Nous sommes d'accord, cher coll\u00e8gue. Nous devons tous nous exprimer.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288120\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je suis nouvelle \u00e0 ce comit\u00e9. Je crois avoir plus que le droit d'examiner des documents, de les \u00e9tudier, et si mon point de vue diff\u00e8re du sien ou de celui de n'importe quel autre d\u00e9put\u00e9, je devrais pouvoir le dire. C'est peut-\u00eatre un point sur lequel il est d'accord, mais \u00eatre accus\u00e9e de parler dans le seul but de faire obstruction... Eh bien, voici ce que je lui r\u00e9ponds. Il semble vouloir nous imposer cette motion en plaidant qu'il y a urgence, tout en disant qu'on peut faire obstruction autant qu'on veut jusqu'\u00e0 la semaine prochaine \u00e0 toutes les r\u00e9unions. Ce qu'il nous dit, en fait, c'est que cette m\u00eame motion, ou du moins la demande de documents ou la poursuite de cette investigation, sera encore l\u00e0 aux r\u00e9unions de la semaine prochaine.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288121\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'aimerais soumettre la supposition suivante \u00e0 mes coll\u00e8gues. Si la m\u00eame motion est pr\u00e9sent\u00e9e \u00e0 chacune de nos r\u00e9unions la semaine prochaine, y compris au comit\u00e9 des langues officielles, selon la motion de Mme Gaudreau, pourquoi pr\u00e9sentons-nous la m\u00eame demande \u00e0 tous ces comit\u00e9s? Quel est le but?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288122\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous avons un comit\u00e9 de la proc\u00e9dure qui s'occupe des affaires de la Chambre et qui peut tout \u00e0 fait se charger de cette demande et de celles qui suivront la semaine prochaine. Pourquoi gaspiller le temps du Comit\u00e9, et peut-\u00eatre de tous les autres comit\u00e9s, sur cette demande r\u00e9p\u00e9t\u00e9e, alors qu'un comit\u00e9 dont c'est le mandat pourrait s'en occuper? Pourquoi les chefs de tous les partis ne se parlent-ils pas de cette question pour parvenir \u00e0 une sorte d'entente afin de cr\u00e9er ce nouveau comit\u00e9 permanent qui sera en mesure d'examiner attentivement le sujet et de demander tous les documents n\u00e9cessaires, au lieu de revenir \u00e0 la charge \u00e0 tous les comit\u00e9s?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6288123\" data-originallang=\"en\">Si les motions ou les demandes ne sont pas exactement les m\u00eames... Au fait, j'ouvre une parenth\u00e8se: qu'arrivera-t-il si les diff\u00e9rents comit\u00e9s qui se penchent sur cette demande arrivent \u00e0 des r\u00e9sultats diff\u00e9rents et adoptent des amendements? Quelle motion retiendrons-nous quand nous cr\u00e9erons ce nouveau comit\u00e9 permanent, celle adopt\u00e9e par le comit\u00e9 de l'\u00e9thique, celle adopt\u00e9e par le comit\u00e9 des langues officielles ou celle qui...</p>"
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