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{
    "time": "2008-02-25 15:30:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Hon. Elmer MacKay",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"940666\" data-originallang=\"en\">I certainly have a few more things I'd like to say, Mr. Szabo. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"940667\" data-originallang=\"en\">I note that you have what I would suggest are some pretty good lawyers on your committee, and I would be astounded if they would permit a witness to come into a tribunal or before a judge who made the disparaging and demeaning comments you made about me before I even had a chance to appear, rolling your eyes and making a joke. The inference was clear: I was faking a fall and I was waiting for time to rehearse. You made that very clear. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"940668\" data-originallang=\"en\">I am very, very reluctant.... In fact, I've almost come to the conclusion I will not give testimony with you in the chair. I've seen some of your rulings. You're a very interventionist chairman. You've just proved it again with Mr. Tilson. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"940669\" data-originallang=\"en\">I want you to take my request seriously. I want you to recuse yourself from your position before I give any evidence. </p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"940666\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'ai effectivement d'autres choses \u00e0 dire, monsieur Szabo.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"940667\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'ai remarqu\u00e9 que vous avez, dirais-je, de tr\u00e8s bons avocats parmi les membres de votre comit\u00e9. Je serais fort \u00e9tonn\u00e9 qu'ils permettent \u00e0 un t\u00e9moin de compara\u00eetre devant un tribunal ou un juge qui aurait tenu \u00e0 son endroit des propos d\u00e9pr\u00e9ciatifs ou manifest\u00e9 une attitude m\u00e9prisante, comme vous l'avez fait dans mon cas, avant m\u00eame que je comparaisse, en levant les yeux au ciel et en faisant une blague. Ce que vous avez voulu laisser entendre est clair: j'invoquais le faux pr\u00e9texte d'une chute pour avoir le temps de me pr\u00e9parer \u00e0 l'audience. C'est clairement ce que vous laissiez entendre.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"940668\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je suis extr\u00eamement r\u00e9ticent... En fait, j'ai presque d\u00e9cid\u00e9 de ne pas t\u00e9moigner tant que vous occuperez le fauteuil du pr\u00e9sident. J'ai observ\u00e9 certaines de vos d\u00e9cisions. Vous \u00eates un pr\u00e9sident tr\u00e8s interventionniste et vous venez tout juste de le d\u00e9montrer une fois de plus avec M. Tilson.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"940669\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je veux que vous preniez ma demande au s\u00e9rieux. Je veux que vous vous r\u00e9cusiez \u00e0 titre de pr\u00e9sident avant que je t\u00e9moigne.</p>"
    },
    "url": "/committees/ethics/39-2/18/elmer-mackay-5/",
    "politician_url": null,
    "politician_membership_url": null,
    "procedural": false,
    "source_id": "2329312",
    "document_url": "/committees/ethics/39-2/18/",
    "related": {
        "document_speeches_url": "/speeches/?document=%2Fcommittees%2Fethics%2F39-2%2F18%2F"
    }
}