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{
    "time": "2007-02-12 15:55:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. David McGuinty",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"443557\" data-originallang=\"en\">Can I put two other points, then, to both of you?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"443558\" data-originallang=\"en\">Last week the former Minister of the Environment, Sheila Copps, who shepherded this legislation originally through the House, wrote in her column that the interdepartmental opposition to an independent environmental auditor general was \u201cso ferocious\u201d that in order to get it through it had to be watered down. The compromise was to create the office administered through the Auditor General's office. That's point number one.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"443559\" data-originallang=\"en\">Point number two, with respect to the staff that would be required, the expertise that you referred to earlier, Mr. Desautels, doesn't this commissioner's office in the AG already possess that talent? Aren't we talking here about a more different formal division of staff that is already divided, effectively, in the AG's office? We're not talking here about massive bureaucracies; we're talking about strengthening the existing role of the staff and the budget they possess.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"443557\" data-originallang=\"en\">Puis-je alors soulever deux autres points, qui s'adressent \u00e0 vous deux?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"443558\" data-originallang=\"en\">La semaine derni\u00e8re, l'ex-ministre de l'Environnement, Mme Sheila Copps, qui a parrain\u00e9 cette loi initialement \u00e0 la Chambre des communes, a \u00e9crit dans sa chronique que l'opposition interminist\u00e9rielle \u00e0 la cr\u00e9ation d'un poste de v\u00e9rificateur g\u00e9n\u00e9ral environnemental ind\u00e9pendant \u00e9tait \u00ab tellement f\u00e9roce \u00bb que pour faire adopter la loi, il a fallu la diluer. Le compromis a \u00e9t\u00e9 de cr\u00e9er un bureau g\u00e9r\u00e9 par l'interm\u00e9diaire du Bureau le v\u00e9rificateur g\u00e9n\u00e9ral. Voil\u00e0 pour le premier point.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"443559\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le deuxi\u00e8me point, concernant le personnel qui serait n\u00e9cessaire, l'expertise \u00e0 laquelle vous avez fait allusion plus t\u00f4t, monsieur Desautels, est-ce que ce bureau du commissaire au sein du BVG ne poss\u00e8de pas d\u00e9j\u00e0 ce talent? Ne parlons-nous pas ici d'une s\u00e9paration formelle plus diff\u00e9rente du personnel qui est d\u00e9j\u00e0 s\u00e9par\u00e9, dans les faits, dans le BVG? Nous ne parlons pas de bureaucraties d'une grande taille ici; nous parlons de renforcer le r\u00f4le existant du personnel et d'augmenter le budget dont il dispose.</p>"
    },
    "url": "/committees/environment/39-1/42/david-mcguinty-5/",
    "politician_url": "/politicians/david-mcguinty/",
    "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/1405/",
    "procedural": false,
    "source_id": "1893262",
    "document_url": "/committees/environment/39-1/42/",
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}